In 2020 – Joe Rogan shunned wide distribution across a wide variety of listening apps to become a Spotify exclusive, a new survey finds The Joe Rogan Experience remains the most listened-to show. But in what may be a warning for Rogan, Media Monitors says the New York Times daily news podcast The Daily is closing the gap.

The survey found no change among the top four shows. Audiochuck’s Crime Junkie was third, followed by This American Life. It was followed by Earwolf’s Office Ladies, which jumped from No. 19 in the prior survey to No. 5 in the latest.

The highest-ranking debuts were Higher Ground/Spotify’s The Michelle Obama Podcast, which entered the chart at No. 9, and iHeartRadio’s Paper Ghosts, which debuted at No. 13.

Not listed is your favorite podcaster’s podcast – Late Night Parents.